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Solecist Project 32209	Posted - 2016.08.19 09:14:53 - [1] - Quote Anyone argueing for f2p argues for the death of the game thanks to the influx of self entitled, whiny idiots. Anyone bringing up the "new player argument" should consider that quality matters as well. And those who can't afford because they're simply poor ... well ... then don't play. Playing EVE isn't some right, you have to pay for it. This is a really pretty text pyramid, I like it. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Solecist Project 32212	Posted - 2016.08.19 10:52:11 - [2] - Quote Gaius Clabbacus wrote: Thanks to skill extraction EVE is Free-to-Play without effort Gaius Clabbacus wrote: If you put in some effort and PLEX your account you can play for free and have your skill points too. Gaius Clabbacus wrote: free-to-play without effort Gaius Clabbacus wrote: if you put in some effort PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR MIND! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Solecist Project 32253	Posted - 2016.08.20 07:06:38 - [3] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: i dont need to pay someone to stop frustrating me. bro don't challenge me yo! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
Solecist Project 32270	Posted - 2016.08.20 20:34:45 - [4] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: mmmm.... just put hot grills at streaming this game and it's gg! i mean we already have some... but no so hot - no offense no homo - ... what? "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32270	Posted - 2016.08.20 20:38:47 - [5] - Quote Ooooohhhh now I get it! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32282	Posted - 2016.08.21 03:58:04 - [6] - Quote Time is not free ... ... unless your life is worth nothing. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32295	Posted - 2016.08.21 17:17:08 - [7] - Quote Caco De'mon wrote: Malcanis wrote: You're trying to frame the situation as a choice between EVE going F2P or dying. I'm questioning the validity of that dichotomy by requesting you to give an example of this ever working. No, I'm saying that a pseudo-F2P could help bring in and retain new players. EVE numbers are dropping somewhat quickly, that's a fact, and with NO change, this will become terminal at some point. Something has to be done; that's my suggestion. Will it fix the problem completely? No but I think it will help. That's being counted but doom-and-gloom types that are ready to hang themselves in protest is CCP even thinks about F2P or the "Remember 2013, that as great." pining types that somehow think going back 3 years would solve the problems...it wont. Doing nothing or just slow content changes will not help the situation... Okay now hold on a second ... Caco De'mon wrote: Since 2013, players have dropped almost in half...pining for the past doesn't do anything for today and the future. Getting them back would be a wise decision, because these were a lot of former long time players we've lost back then. And throughout the years. We even lost Tippia. And where's Mag's? Quote: No, I'm saying that a pseudo-F2P could help bring in and retain new players. Yes. And I will now tell you why that is a bad idea. The first thing are the forums. Either they're completely being locked out ... ... or moderation has to go overtime. The amount of zilch the word "free" attracts, combined with the outlook of "being someone important", is attractive for those who feel like they are someone important and then play as if they were. The primary whale is an insecure male with self esteem issues who will happily throw his money away for imaginary status in an online video game played by thousands. Just to feel better about himself. We all do that to varying degrees of course, some more than others. He suffers from delusions of grandeur, would make dunning and kruger proud and only does "fair" PvP, because - and this is great - when you rip him out of his controlled bubble, you break apart his self image. The situation then turns into something you would expect from a psychopath who's being told he has to change himself or the relationship breaks apart ...... and you really don't do that, he'll kill you or plot something against you to ruin your life. Unless you don't know them, of course, then they would just make their mothers sad in forum posts and mails. Of course there's lots of shades of this extreme example of the whale and we have some of them in EVE as well. There's extreme examples you can find on minerbumping.com, but there's also people who overvalue their killboards. There's those who fly expensive officer marauders. A 20-boxer. All different shades of pretty much the same thing, with varying positive and negative effects for everyone else: The degree of "escapism" varies. It sounds like I'm mostly talking about carebears here ... but it's not that simple.* After this cluster-**** starts ... ... you will see a lot more of these shades ... ... and you will regret it. I'll save you a description of long term consequences and just hope you drop this ... ... or, even better, think it through more thoroughly! There are things you don't know you need to consider. So many characters left to fill the post with ... sheesh .... *("Escapism" is not about what you spend your time with. It does not matter what you do ... ... but how you do it. They want to dive into a universe, with a story and "feel immersed" so they forget the real world and can be their character. Please note that actual role-players don't behave like this. There's usually a clear seperation between the player and the character. Role-playing isn't escapism.) "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32296	Posted - 2016.08.21 18:43:02 - [8] - Quote Elinarien wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Elinarien wrote: Eve is already F2P via Plex. Eve already allows people to trade real currency for in-game goods via Plex. Hence not really sure what the OP is on about. That only works if you believe time grinding has no value. That's the transaction. One person pays money and a second person pays in time. It's not free, as ISK doesn't jump materialise without effort. But the entire F2P premise is that it trades player time for access to game content. So anyone wanting to play a F2P MMO accepts that trade off. Which is exactly what Plex is. Yes, that is absolutely correct. Changes nothing about the minerals you're mining not being free at all. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32305	Posted - 2016.08.21 22:18:18 - [9] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I have a room in my house devoted to bookshelves I enjoyed that image. Bookshelves! Bookshelves everywhere! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32325	Posted - 2016.08.22 17:37:04 - [10] - Quote 45thtiger 0109 wrote: xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: Kei Nagasai wrote: How about just cutting the cost of the subscription? at the moment its -ú10, which, to be frank, is a bit on the expensive side, once you factor in alts. I'd say cut it down to -ú6 or -ú7, the lower it is the more likely people are going to say, "meh, its only X amount" you mean like when i look at 15 euros and say meh it's only 15 euro. But allot of poor people in the world who cannot afford the subs. Yeah, so they are. So what? Where's the argument? Ever considered that there's reasons why they're poor? Not everyone who is poor is poor because his life is ** ... ... and those who have a **** life have completely different priorities than playing EVE ONLINE. Making the game cheaper won't attract any quality players ... ... it will only attract those who are poor by choice. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.

Solecist Project 32325	Posted - 2016.08.22 17:52:56 - [11] - Quote Looblaloobla Timmay wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Anyone argueing for f2p argues for the death of the game thanks to the influx of self entitled, whiny idiots. Anyone bringing up the "new player argument" should consider that quality matters as well. And those who can't afford because they're simply poor ... well ... then don't play. Playing EVE isn't some right, you have to pay for it. This is a really pretty text pyramid, I like it. I laughed when you indirectly referred to yourself as a quality player..... I'm sure someone who figured out a name like yours ... ... and feels the need to post something like this ... ... is of much higher quality and much wiser than my worthless little self. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32327	Posted - 2016.08.22 19:40:12 - [12] - Quote Looblaloobla Timmay wrote: Well you see that was a direct attack on the op when he was referring to "quality players." He was indirectly calling the op as a non-quality player, along with all those who prefer any other game model than subscription based. No, I didn't. And I think calling it an "attack" is an overstatement. Try reading it again, this time without implementing new context. Everything I stated was true, none of it hinted at subscriptions being superior. Nowhere did I mention amounts of people and of course it was implied, that ... ... not every single person who plays a free game is an idiot ... ... but free games attract idiots on purpose. I wrote a post about this somewhere else ....... it was long ..... well, they all are lol ....... You can not deny the fact that free games attract **** people and that there is nothing that keeps them out. There is a shiitton amount of people out there who cover everything between "dumb" and "insecure genius" ... ... and they fall for games that promise them escapism, aka ... ... being "the hero" in a fictional reality where "his" life isn't . And as you probably know, the "dumb" part is a significant chunk of these people. We have these in EVE as well, of course ... and the number seems only to be growing. Reminds me of how every strong, healthy community eventually decays once it grows past a certain threshold. I'm not going to go deeper into this, I've written it down somewhere around the forums already. :p Looblaloobla Timmay wrote:** So I guess if anyone who has any other opinion than what you guys have are either "entitled", or non-quality people. I really would like to see who the "right" kind of players are in your opinion, Hitler. Maybe we can have a non-quality player cleansing You're probably one of those who lives in the delusional world of "we're all equal". Also: Godwin's Law. Congratulations! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32327	Posted - 2016.08.22 20:10:23 - [13] - Quote Looblaloobla Timmay wrote: Free games do seem to attract a good mix of people. Some of what you consider quality, some not so much. I for one am not for F2P or P2W. However I do feel the game is slightly too expensive for what you get. I already expressed what I would do if I were to change things so I wont post them here. As for calling people names, grow up. Thinking that you are always right about everything, is also a delusion. Me calling names? You adressed me with Hitler! lol i'd like to read that post of yours. And i'm not delusional about being right. I don't care about being right. All I do is thinking about the things I am talking about ... ... preferably before i start talking ... ... and i'm trying to do it properly. Being wrong about something is fine! :D Means I learn something new and have to rethink! :D Like... I've lost over a dozen times in C&C Generals until I realized how to play. Then this jerk stopped playing with me, because he lost three times in a row. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32331	Posted - 2016.08.23 08:16:17 - [14] - Quote Hey, now I'm literally Hitler! It only took seven years until someone called me Hitler. Fascinating! But what's even more fascinating: "FORCIBLY SUPPRESSING OPPOSITION, AND CRITICISM. EMPHASIZING AN AGGRESSIVE NATIONALISM(LOYALTY TO THE GAME), AND RACISM(DUMB PEOPLE, ENTITLED, WHINY, IDIOTS, NON-QUALITY)" The only ones who forcibly suppress criticism are carebears who spread their hate, as the forums prove. And as you prove. It's like calling everyone who is against hording masses of refugees as Nazi or racist. It shuts them up, because of the social issues connected with it. Aggrressive nationalism. Do you even understand the difference between patriotism and nationalism? Racism. That's a funny one. Again, there is nothing "racist" about opposing people who do the same **** you do ... ... like trying to stop any criticism by spreading hate in the shallow name of "good". You're not a good person! Have a friend read your posts out loud for you! i can assure you that i am not literally hitler ... ... though at some point in 2012 i actually figured out how to pull that one off. Wasn't my cup of tea, so i spread the idea in Hek local. ^_^ I really wished you'd realize how you are far more representing of what you "hate". "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32342	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:17:35 - [15] - Quote Looblaloobla Timmay wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Looblaloobla Timmay wrote: I would hardly call SWTOR industry standard. What you would call it is irrelevant to what it is. Looblaloobla Timmay wrote: TLDR: I'm going to start a finger pointing war because I have no point and now I need to shift blame to someone else so that I can look good. Your ignorance of the point doesn't mean there isn't one. He had no point if you look it. He was completely sarcastic in what he said, and then shifted blame on carebears. This is perfect. You read things with bias and don't recognize that you have bias ... ... and no matter what anyone would say ... ... you are stuck in your belief. Then you pull a Hitler and talk about oppression ... ... not realizing that the only one here who tries to oppress discussion is you: By whoring cheaply via "youmad" and "hemad" and grabbing attention ... ... distracting and driving away those who want to talk about the topic. And people actually waste time talking to you... You prove my points about certain people with your very own behaviour ... ... so please keep going. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32351	Posted - 2016.08.23 19:51:39 - [16] - Quote Caco De'mon wrote: ISD Max Trix wrote: Caco De'mon wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: ... I replied but it was lost when the thread was temp-locked...throwing in the white towel as this place is ludicrousness.... One of the downsides of the way the forum functions. If we don't lock the threads when we do a large clean up, we run the risk of crashing the forum server. I did what you do here for FOCUS and suggest you push for better software as Doc is right, whatever runs this forum is pretty horrible... (thanks for answering though) They are considering Disquss as new forum, iirc. A dev mentioned it some time ago.. Which reminds me of an idea for an additional forum which I had. A truly gigantic subforum that has no equals and would be worthy of EVE ONLINE. Also... I kind of like you. You seem smart, though you (still/so far) lack the desire to seek out ... ... the fundamental parts ... ... that actually make up the things you try to build logical constructs for. Most likely because you haven't realized their existence yet. ^_^ And now I may have helped you realizing, because I pointed out their existence ... ... and deliberately sent your brain on a journey towards understanding the thinking process itself. ... That's 10 bucks, super discount for you. :) That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE

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